My Copy Of Leopard Is Crap!

SINC · Oct 26th, 2007, 10:08 PM

This is the worst experience I have had in twenty years of using Macs.

Usually an upgrade just hums along and all is well.

Not so in my case. After the upgrade Leopard appeared and ran about 1/10 the speed of Tiger with nothing but beachballs no matter what I did.

Tried to repair permissions, no go. Try after try. Then I waited and finally after seven loooong minutes it worked but gave me this error code:

Repairing permissions for “Macintosh HD”

Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAgent" has been modified and will not be repaired.

Permissions repair complete

It knocked my Keychain all to hell and every time I made a move, I had to type my password to get past the request window. It told me none of my certificates were trusted and there was no way I could alter them.

So I said to hell with it and moved my important files to my external. I couldn't be bothered to do a new back up as it would take more time than I wanted to spend and I have everything I need backed up in Tiger anyway,

So then I did an erase and install, figuring I would have a nice clean system and I could simply bring my files back and start fresh.

When the second install was done, the first thing I did was go to mail.app and set up my four e-mail accounts, which I have done numerous times.

Much to my surprise, when I set up the first account, it took nearly 10 minutes to verify it for both incoming and outgoing server info.

What's with that?

Then I noticed "it".

You know the tiny wheel that spins when mail is going to the server to get mail? Well I had one right in the middle of the column of mail boxes below the one box I had created, spinning merrily away.

Nothing I could do would get rid of that tiny spinning wheel. So I think, I know, I'll repair permissions. Well not in Leopard I can't. Not from the HD or the Disk. And every single file or app I tried runs so slow you would think I had a Blueberry iMac instead of a first gen 1.83 Ghz MBP with an 80 G HD and 2 G RAM.

What's with that?

In frustration I am on my second erase and install and awaiting it to finish to see if this time something decent happens.

So far Leopard is a piece of you know what.

Atroz · Oct 26th, 2007, 10:31 PM

Any chance you've had Spotlight running in the background indexing each time you had these problems? That would slow your machine down a lot. Perhaps also cause file locking that would upset your attempts to fix the disk.

I also had a lot of problems with my Email remembering my passwords. I'm not sure what I did to fix it, either it was when I went in to the keychain editor and removed all the existing related keys or it was because I changed my IMAP server from a mdns name to the related IP address. I think what was happening was that Leopard was defaulting to IPV6 addresses with mdns and my mail server wasn't accepting IMAP connections on the IPV6 stack. That then caused Mail to think that there was a problem and would prompt me for a password. Not sure though.

hayesk · Oct 26th, 2007, 10:37 PM

Sounds like a hardware issue to me. Bad network connection, bad RAM, bad disk, etc.

Your subject made me laugh - as if your copy of leopard is different than anyone else's.

MacDoc · Oct 26th, 2007, 10:41 PM

Spotlight indexing is a bear - eats processors.

TH eonly issue we've seen is if a keychain is old and does not have the .keychain at the end of it.
Happened to me.

jdurston · Oct 26th, 2007, 10:55 PM

Wow, I was thinking the opposite. My leopard screams (in Mail and Safari at least).
I recommend doing an archive and install if you can't justify wiping your drive.

SINC · Oct 26th, 2007, 11:10 PM

I wiped my drive and mail still will not work, nor will Disk Utilities to repair permissions.

On top of that the Disk Utility now thinks the Leopard install DVD is still in the drive as it shows up as a DVD icon with this:

MATSHITA DVD - R - UJ - 857

I can assure you the DVD is back in its fancy box.

Grrrrrrrrrrrr

CanadaRAM · Oct 26th, 2007, 11:26 PM

You're not alone on the ARDAgent error, SINC. MacRumors report

Have you restarted and reset PRAM yet?

MacDoc · Oct 26th, 2007, 11:37 PM

Reset the PRAM - it's got itself in a tangle.

You might even need to reset open firmware ( Command Option O F then type reset-all.

The only other possibility might be a bad drive ( we've seen a few )/

Try installing on an external.

Lars · Oct 27th, 2007, 12:09 AM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by MacDoc
	You might even need to reset open firmware ( Command Option O F then type reset-all.

Intel-based units have EFI (Extensible Firmware Interface), not Open Firmware. You will find holding down those keys above as quoted on an Intel-based Mac will not do much for you.

SINC · Oct 27th, 2007, 12:33 AM

Yeah, I reset the PRAM and those other keys did nothing.

Still no mail, no repair permissions, and slow as can be.

Like I said, it's crap.

Oct 26th, 2007, 10:08 PM	#1
SINC Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Central Alberta Posts: 39,859	My Copy Of Leopard Is Crap! This is the worst experience I have had in twenty years of using Macs. Usually an upgrade just hums along and all is well. Not so in my case. After the upgrade Leopard appeared and ran about 1/10 the speed of Tiger with nothing but beachballs no matter what I did. Tried to repair permissions, no go. Try after try. Then I waited and finally after seven loooong minutes it worked but gave me this error code: Repairing permissions for “Macintosh HD” Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAgent" has been modified and will not be repaired. Permissions repair complete It knocked my Keychain all to hell and every time I made a move, I had to type my password to get past the request window. It told me none of my certificates were trusted and there was no way I could alter them. So I said to hell with it and moved my important files to my external. I couldn't be bothered to do a new back up as it would take more time than I wanted to spend and I have everything I need backed up in Tiger anyway, So then I did an erase and install, figuring I would have a nice clean system and I could simply bring my files back and start fresh. When the second install was done, the first thing I did was go to mail.app and set up my four e-mail accounts, which I have done numerous times. Much to my surprise, when I set up the first account, it took nearly 10 minutes to verify it for both incoming and outgoing server info. What's with that? Then I noticed "it". You know the tiny wheel that spins when mail is going to the server to get mail? Well I had one right in the middle of the column of mail boxes below the one box I had created, spinning merrily away. Nothing I could do would get rid of that tiny spinning wheel. So I think, I know, I'll repair permissions. Well not in Leopard I can't. Not from the HD or the Disk. And every single file or app I tried runs so slow you would think I had a Blueberry iMac instead of a first gen 1.83 Ghz MBP with an 80 G HD and 2 G RAM. What's with that? In frustration I am on my second erase and install and awaiting it to finish to see if this time something decent happens. So far Leopard is a piece of you know what. __________________ Visit my website: St. Albert's Place "When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty." Never squat with your spurs on.

Oct 26th, 2007, 10:31 PM	#2
Atroz Honourable Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ottawa Posts: 1,437	Any chance you've had Spotlight running in the background indexing each time you had these problems? That would slow your machine down a lot. Perhaps also cause file locking that would upset your attempts to fix the disk. I also had a lot of problems with my Email remembering my passwords. I'm not sure what I did to fix it, either it was when I went in to the keychain editor and removed all the existing related keys or it was because I changed my IMAP server from a mdns name to the related IP address. I think what was happening was that Leopard was defaulting to IPV6 addresses with mdns and my mail server wasn't accepting IMAP connections on the IPV6 stack. That then caused Mail to think that there was a problem and would prompt me for a password. Not sure though. __________________ ' "Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain

Oct 26th, 2007, 10:41 PM	#4
MacDoc Honourable Citizen Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Planet Earth.....on slow boil Posts: 28,080	Spotlight indexing is a bear - eats processors. TH eonly issue we've seen is if a keychain is old and does not have the .keychain at the end of it. Happened to me. __________________ Are you backed up??? if not why not? - Superduper is FREE!! Find out more here Support Green- buy Bullfrog Power http://www.bullfrogpower.com/

Oct 26th, 2007, 10:55 PM	#5
jdurston Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Waterloo Posts: 1,158	Wow, I was thinking the opposite. My leopard screams (in Mail and Safari at least). I recommend doing an archive and install if you can't justify wiping your drive. __________________ MacBook 2.0CD, 2GB RAM, 10.5.8 [SIZE="3"]Apple's handling of iPhone apps is quickly souring my taste for apple products. I've aquired a Windows 7 machine instead of the new MacBook as my form of protest[/size]

Oct 26th, 2007, 11:10 PM	#6
SINC Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Central Alberta Posts: 39,859	I wiped my drive and mail still will not work, nor will Disk Utilities to repair permissions. On top of that the Disk Utility now thinks the Leopard install DVD is still in the drive as it shows up as a DVD icon with this: MATSHITA DVD - R - UJ - 857 I can assure you the DVD is back in its fancy box. Grrrrrrrrrrrr __________________ Visit my website: St. Albert's Place "When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty." Never squat with your spurs on.

Oct 26th, 2007, 10:37 PM	#3
hayesk Honourable Citizen Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Nepean, ON, Canada Posts: 1,881	Sounds like a hardware issue to me. Bad network connection, bad RAM, bad disk, etc. Your subject made me laugh - as if your copy of leopard is different than anyone else's.

Oct 26th, 2007, 11:26 PM	#7
CanadaRAM Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 3,155	You're not alone on the ARDAgent error, SINC. MacRumors report Have you restarted and reset PRAM yet?

Oct 26th, 2007, 11:37 PM	#8
MacDoc Honourable Citizen Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Planet Earth.....on slow boil Posts: 28,080	Reset the PRAM - it's got itself in a tangle. You might even need to reset open firmware ( Command Option O F then type reset-all. The only other possibility might be a bad drive ( we've seen a few )/ Try installing on an external. __________________ Are you backed up??? if not why not? - Superduper is FREE!! Find out more here Support Green- buy Bullfrog Power http://www.bullfrogpower.com/

Oct 27th, 2007, 12:33 AM	#10
SINC Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Central Alberta Posts: 39,859	Yeah, I reset the PRAM and those other keys did nothing. Still no mail, no repair permissions, and slow as can be. Like I said, it's crap. __________________ Visit my website: St. Albert's Place "When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty." Never squat with your spurs on.

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