Leopard and Filemaker7-9 a non starter + more nasssty

MacDoc · Oct 24th, 2007, 04:36 PM

From the horses mouth

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	FileMaker Software and Mac OS X Leopard We are very excited about the release of Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5). We are currently working on Leopard compatibility updates for FileMaker Pro 9, FileMaker Pro 9 Advanced, FileMaker Server 9 and FileMaker Server 9 Advanced. At this time FileMaker does not recommend the use of FileMaker 9 products on computers running Mac OS X Leopard. If you would like to be notified when these updates become available, please subscribe to FileMaker News. We also do not recommend the use of earlier versions of FileMaker software on Mac OS X Leopard as we have not performed compatibility testing.

Mac OS X Leopard and FileMaker products

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	MacInTouch Reader My big question regarding the FileMaker announcement that version 9.x may be incompatible with Leopard, and that earlier versions are also not recommended to be used with Leopard (because they "have not performed compatibility testing on them.") is: Where on earth has the Apple subsidiary FileMaker been the last two years while the rest of us have been working with the beta releases of Leopard? It is one thing for a possible new version 9 problem (well, not really), but to not have tested ealier versions during all this time.... this is inexcusible behavior for any major software developement firm, especially one owned by Apple. Al Hatch FileMaker is keeping a lot of us from running Windows on our Macs. As of Friday... If you install Leopard, you can't run FileMaker; if you don't install Leopard, you can't run Boot Camp. Catch 10.5.

We have heard from others that there is a Filemaker problem with 8 tho 6 works fine.

Careful out there.....a few dragons lurking.

West Coast Boy · Oct 24th, 2007, 05:46 PM

Okay, so (correct me if I'm wrong) but isn't the FileMaker Install DVD a dual version disc with both the Mac and Windows version on it? If so, coulddn't you just install FileMaker under XP on a Boot Camp or Parallels/Fusion install and work with it that way?

May not be ideal, but might be a work around.

MacDoc · Oct 24th, 2007, 05:48 PM

Yes that should work as the files are interchangeable but I'm not 100% sure it is a dual install and of course many Mac users are do not use Windows.

Gerbill · Oct 24th, 2007, 05:57 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by MacDoc
	Yes that should work as the files are interchangeable but I'm not 100% sure it is a dual install and of course many Mac users are do not use Windows.

My copy of FMP 8 Advanced is indeed a dual install.

Oakbridge · Oct 24th, 2007, 07:20 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by MacDoc
	From the horses mouth Mac OS X Leopard and FileMaker products We have heard from others that there is a Filemaker problem with 8 tho 6 works fine. Careful out there.....a few dragons lurking.

As I have mentioned in other threads, it is not unusual for software developers to post a 'be cautious' warning this close to a release.

Developers were regularly seeded with copies of all of the beta releases of Leopard. Then about a week or so ago, Apple chose the build that would become the 'Golden Master' (or release version). However developers have not seen this actual release and won't until Friday at 6:00 p.m. just like the rest of us. In the past Apple has slipped one or two last minute things into the final release and rumours are that the same has happened with Leopard.

Most developers will either have Leopard certified releases out within a week or so after Friday's launch, or post a message that their current release has been certified. So any warning is just that, a warning.

I'd say the use of the word 'nasty' is a bit strong.

guytoronto · Oct 24th, 2007, 07:24 PM

Good grief. You would think that a subsidiary of Apple might be able to make Mac-compatible softare. It appears not!

idoctor · Nov 1st, 2007, 01:09 PM

report on: photoshop 7 and filemaker 7 under tiger:

i've used the very good filemaker pro 7.0v1
and photoshop 7 in panther and tiger for years.

after paying for the leopard upgrade -- you always end up
finding out about the extra hidden costs of the cascade of
further upgrades one must buy in order to get everything
working that was working working again... :-P

first: photoshop 7 is dead under leopard -- pay up or switch to colourIt (ugh).
i get a 'An unexected and unrecoverable problem has occured because of a
program error. Photoshop will now exit' message just after the splash screen
appears. deleting preference plists doesn't help either. reading several other
reports of dead photoshop 7 on leopard after googling -- it appears
that she's dead jim.

i know this is an inevitable consequence of them testing photoshop 7
on the then existing OSX 10.2 (!) -- they can't test on a system
that won't exist for a couple years yet (!).

but the fact remains that the cost of leopard is just the start
of the upgrade dominoes -- on top of the leopard, i must pay for
more features (that i don't want!!) -- just to buy compatibility
with this latest cat. what if i don't want CS3? the functionality
of ps7 is all i need (+leopard compatibility). but its time to
cough up to pay the programmers - who after all - make it go.

second -- filemaker 7: this opened up the ol database well enough,
but had a disturbing 'Unexpectedly Quit' every time i quit
the application -- making me fear if it had corrupted my
database by not properly closing (it opened again -- but now
there is uncertainty about its data integrity -- aaargh!).
i checked the versions -- it was brought into leopard as 7.0v1,
(and it crashed on exit) -- then i downloaded the 7.0v3 update,
and it no longer crashed on exit after i had applied the upgrade.

hope this helps someone else who needs
to get their filemaker 7 working on leopard.

third: Edirol UA-700 usb audio device support: i have an Edirol UA-700
usb audio device which worked fine in panther and tiger. version 2.0.1 of the
drivers died under leopard -- no audio out. upgrading to the 2.2.1 drivers fixed it.

four: Classic is Dead -- Leopard also marks the loss of classic.
this is almost bearable, except for the fact that adobe dropped FRAMEMAKER
development and never made an OSX version. i also have 3000 pages of carefully
formatted legacy documents in framemaker -- conversion to HTML or PDF loses
all the parametric structure of the multi-document books, the paragraph
numbering, and style sheets -- there's never been a product that does so well
what framemaker does -- it was far superior to MS word for long technical
documents -- apple's own documentation was written using it ('Get Info' on
some of their pdfs!) -- still no replacement, and never going to get one.
just the backwards leap of going down to the level of MS word when for
over a decade, framemaker was better then what MS word is now -- ugh.

losing classic also means the loss of all the data kept in hypercard.
and my dad has several documents still in Fullwrite (venerable processor),
and macWrite Pro (which can be converted with macLink Plus). the other
hold-out for classic was FONTOGRAPHER -- there was no equivalent
product anywhere on the market. but thank god, they finally converted
that -- thank god for FontLab who did the upgrade.

the alternative then for: Hundreds of FrameMaker (.fmk) documens,
HyperCard stacks, and hundreds of legacy MacWrite Pro documents
is then left in the hands of OS 8.6 and SHEEPSHAVER -- without that,
i doubt it would be possible to open these documents for anyone after tiger.

five: Address Book reversion problems. i find that under Leopard,
my addressbook reverts back to an old version (despite .mac sync prefs
in the 'Advanced' tab > 'Reset Sync Data' set to: machine overwrites .mac.
thank god i have a backup, but if i didn't -- several hundred contacts
would be gone -- bad bad bad.

so, a leopard upgrade loses: photoshop 7, and OS9 classic.
BBedit 6.1.2 survives (!!), filemaker 7 survives with a patch.
thankfully i don't have to buy a new usb audio interface
(because edirol did update their drivers).

all the best from toronto island,
theidoctor.

Macified · Nov 1st, 2007, 01:21 PM

Received today via email...

FileMaker Pro 9.0v2 update delivers Leopard compatibility and more

FileMaker has released FileMaker Pro 9.0v2 and FileMaker Pro 9.0v2 Advanced, available now via a downloadable update. The 9.0v2 update provides compatibility with Mac OS X Leopard as described below, and other features, and is recommended for all users.

Here is a list of other fixes in the 9.0v2 update that developers will be most interested in:

Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard):
The application no longer crashes when creating files if the system language and region do not match.

General Fixes:
Mac OS X: Get(SystemVersion) now returns the correct version on Mac OS X operating systems ending with double digit revision numbers, i.e. 10.4.10.

The database consistency check initiated on launch will no longer incorrectly report that a database is damaged for some databases that can be opened and used without any problems.

Printing Fixes:
The update addresses issues which cause the application to crash when a page range is specified.

Relationships:
A relationship with a global field now returns all related records if the value of the other key is empty.

For a complete list of fixes please refer to the updater Read Me or FileMaker downloads at Download FileMaker Database

Click here for the details and to download the FileMaker Pro 9.0v2 and FileMaker Pro 9.0v2 Advanced Leopard update now.

Please note that this update does not fix issues with the FileMaker Pro 9 Instant Web Publishing (IWP) feature running on Leopard. We intend to make IWP compatible with Leopard in an update expected in December 2007.

We expect to deliver a Leopard compatibility update for our Server products in early 2008. FileMaker Server 9 and FileMaker Server 9 Advanced currently do not deploy properly on Leopard. In the meantime, FileMaker Pro 9 and FileMaker Pro 9 Advanced clients running on Leopard do work with FileMaker Server and Server Advanced running on Tiger or earlier versions of Mac OS X.

For timely news on the availability of compatibility updates for IWP, and for FileMaker Server 9 and FileMaker Server 9 Advanced, please subscribe to FileMaker News.

Click here for info on earlier versions of FileMaker software and Mac OS X Leopard.

-The FileMaker Team

Digital_Gary · Nov 1st, 2007, 02:26 PM

For those not willing to upgrade to FMP 9, there is a work around for 8.5. It may also work with 8 but I haven't tested it yet.

Leopard + Filemaker 9 = Is good in da hood!

Oct 24th, 2007, 05:48 PM	#3
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Oct 24th, 2007, 07:24 PM	#6
guytoronto Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,799	Good grief. You would think that a subsidiary of Apple might be able to make Mac-compatible softare. It appears not! __________________ I've lost my pants.

Nov 1st, 2007, 01:09 PM	#7
idoctor New Neighbour Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 0	filemaker 7.0v1 -> 7.0v3 got it working in leopard report on: photoshop 7 and filemaker 7 under tiger: i've used the very good filemaker pro 7.0v1 and photoshop 7 in panther and tiger for years. after paying for the leopard upgrade -- you always end up finding out about the extra hidden costs of the cascade of further upgrades one must buy in order to get everything working that was working working again... :-P first: photoshop 7 is dead under leopard -- pay up or switch to colourIt (ugh). i get a 'An unexected and unrecoverable problem has occured because of a program error. Photoshop will now exit' message just after the splash screen appears. deleting preference plists doesn't help either. reading several other reports of dead photoshop 7 on leopard after googling -- it appears that she's dead jim. i know this is an inevitable consequence of them testing photoshop 7 on the then existing OSX 10.2 (!) -- they can't test on a system that won't exist for a couple years yet (!). but the fact remains that the cost of leopard is just the start of the upgrade dominoes -- on top of the leopard, i must pay for more features (that i don't want!!) -- just to buy compatibility with this latest cat. what if i don't want CS3? the functionality of ps7 is all i need (+leopard compatibility). but its time to cough up to pay the programmers - who after all - make it go. second -- filemaker 7: this opened up the ol database well enough, but had a disturbing 'Unexpectedly Quit' every time i quit the application -- making me fear if it had corrupted my database by not properly closing (it opened again -- but now there is uncertainty about its data integrity -- aaargh!). i checked the versions -- it was brought into leopard as 7.0v1, (and it crashed on exit) -- then i downloaded the 7.0v3 update, and it no longer crashed on exit after i had applied the upgrade. hope this helps someone else who needs to get their filemaker 7 working on leopard. third: Edirol UA-700 usb audio device support: i have an Edirol UA-700 usb audio device which worked fine in panther and tiger. version 2.0.1 of the drivers died under leopard -- no audio out. upgrading to the 2.2.1 drivers fixed it. four: Classic is Dead -- Leopard also marks the loss of classic. this is almost bearable, except for the fact that adobe dropped FRAMEMAKER development and never made an OSX version. i also have 3000 pages of carefully formatted legacy documents in framemaker -- conversion to HTML or PDF loses all the parametric structure of the multi-document books, the paragraph numbering, and style sheets -- there's never been a product that does so well what framemaker does -- it was far superior to MS word for long technical documents -- apple's own documentation was written using it ('Get Info' on some of their pdfs!) -- still no replacement, and never going to get one. just the backwards leap of going down to the level of MS word when for over a decade, framemaker was better then what MS word is now -- ugh. losing classic also means the loss of all the data kept in hypercard. and my dad has several documents still in Fullwrite (venerable processor), and macWrite Pro (which can be converted with macLink Plus). the other hold-out for classic was FONTOGRAPHER -- there was no equivalent product anywhere on the market. but thank god, they finally converted that -- thank god for FontLab who did the upgrade. the alternative then for: Hundreds of FrameMaker (.fmk) documens, HyperCard stacks, and hundreds of legacy MacWrite Pro documents is then left in the hands of OS 8.6 and SHEEPSHAVER -- without that, i doubt it would be possible to open these documents for anyone after tiger. five: Address Book reversion problems. i find that under Leopard, my addressbook reverts back to an old version (despite .mac sync prefs in the 'Advanced' tab > 'Reset Sync Data' set to: machine overwrites .mac. thank god i have a backup, but if i didn't -- several hundred contacts would be gone -- bad bad bad. so, a leopard upgrade loses: photoshop 7, and OS9 classic. BBedit 6.1.2 survives (!!), filemaker 7 survives with a patch. thankfully i don't have to buy a new usb audio interface (because edirol did update their drivers). all the best from toronto island, theidoctor.

Nov 1st, 2007, 01:21 PM	#8
Macified Honourable Citizen Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Park City, Utah/Markham, Ontario/Haliburton, Ontario Posts: 3,570	Received today via email... FileMaker Pro 9.0v2 update delivers Leopard compatibility and more FileMaker has released FileMaker Pro 9.0v2 and FileMaker Pro 9.0v2 Advanced, available now via a downloadable update. The 9.0v2 update provides compatibility with Mac OS X Leopard as described below, and other features, and is recommended for all users. Here is a list of other fixes in the 9.0v2 update that developers will be most interested in: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard): The application no longer crashes when creating files if the system language and region do not match. General Fixes: Mac OS X: Get(SystemVersion) now returns the correct version on Mac OS X operating systems ending with double digit revision numbers, i.e. 10.4.10. The database consistency check initiated on launch will no longer incorrectly report that a database is damaged for some databases that can be opened and used without any problems. Printing Fixes: The update addresses issues which cause the application to crash when a page range is specified. Relationships: A relationship with a global field now returns all related records if the value of the other key is empty. For a complete list of fixes please refer to the updater Read Me or FileMaker downloads at Download FileMaker Database Click here for the details and to download the FileMaker Pro 9.0v2 and FileMaker Pro 9.0v2 Advanced Leopard update now. Please note that this update does not fix issues with the FileMaker Pro 9 Instant Web Publishing (IWP) feature running on Leopard. We intend to make IWP compatible with Leopard in an update expected in December 2007. We expect to deliver a Leopard compatibility update for our Server products in early 2008. FileMaker Server 9 and FileMaker Server 9 Advanced currently do not deploy properly on Leopard. In the meantime, FileMaker Pro 9 and FileMaker Pro 9 Advanced clients running on Leopard do work with FileMaker Server and Server Advanced running on Tiger or earlier versions of Mac OS X. For timely news on the availability of compatibility updates for IWP, and for FileMaker Server 9 and FileMaker Server 9 Advanced, please subscribe to FileMaker News. Click here for info on earlier versions of FileMaker software and Mac OS X Leopard. -The FileMaker Team __________________ “Maybe some day somebody will call me "Sir" without adding "You're making a scene"!!” -Homer Simpson

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Oct 24th, 2007, 05:46 PM	#2
West Coast Boy Full Citizen Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maple Ridge, BC Posts: 121	Okay, so (correct me if I'm wrong) but isn't the FileMaker Install DVD a dual version disc with both the Mac and Windows version on it? If so, coulddn't you just install FileMaker under XP on a Boot Camp or Parallels/Fusion install and work with it that way? May not be ideal, but might be a work around.

Nov 1st, 2007, 02:26 PM	#9
Digital_Gary Honourable Citizen Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Etobicoke Posts: 1,719	For those not willing to upgrade to FMP 9, there is a work around for 8.5. It may also work with 8 but I haven't tested it yet. Leopard + Filemaker 9 = Is good in da hood!