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Old Feb 17th, 2007, 07:22 PM   #1
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Jobs lambastes teachers unions

He's becoming very outspoken in recent weeks. First, the DRM issue, and now education.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/4560691.html
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Old Feb 17th, 2007, 07:52 PM   #3
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dang. it did smell like an "everything else" type of tang.
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"Dell sat quietly with his hands folded in his lap."

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Old Feb 18th, 2007, 03:58 AM   #5
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"Dell sat quietly with his hands folded in his lap."

Then promptly went about kissing A$$ upon taking to the podium
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Old Feb 18th, 2007, 12:28 PM   #6
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Unhappy Jobs the megalomaniac...

So the whole education debate in the states comes down to bad teachers? Can you say "oversimplification of a complex issue"? Jobs solution is to dump dump textbooks for a central database of information? Who decides what goes in, what goes out, and how it's worded? Who owns the database? Who decides/guards access?
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Old Feb 18th, 2007, 02:00 PM   #7
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So the whole education debate in the states comes down to bad teachers?
Oh God NO. I don't think that anybody -- even Jobs -- i saying that. But here; let me give you a sad example that I have PERSONALLY experienced:

I'm a professional composer for media. I know what the tools of the trade and skill sets are for this major sector of industry. Recently, I have either spoke with teachers or researched curriculum at almost all of Toronto's major post-secondary institutions that are known for their music studies. I personally know or know of many of the faculty at these places. Well, these institutions -- entrusted with educating and empowering this country's future -- are stuck in the 1980's with their attitudes towards technology and music. To do what I do, you not only need a command of traditional composition and orchestration, but you also MUST have a command of computer technology as it is used in film and TV production -- and music composition; a grasp well beyond just using Finale or Sibelius for notation. We're talking ProTools and either Logic Pro, Cubase or Digital Performer.

And yes, we're also talking about the reality of much of these broadcast jobs being done by one guy with some of the above software as well as an arsenal of sample libraries being triggered through virtual instruments plugins or software such as Gigastudio or Logic's EXS24 (my weapon of choice, BTW). In many cases -- even in LA -- huge, sophisticated samples libraries, such as The Vienna Symphonic Library, take the place of a live ensemble.

Yes, it's a very VERY different world than the one many of these guys I know studied in themselves. I was in the same boat (I'm of their generation). These are great players who have experienced firsthand how the recording session scene and live theatre work has dried up. But the teaching of composition is still outdated because many of these guys teaching haven't embraced technology sufficient to use it in the industry today, and therefore they don't teach it. As a result, students are graduating ill-equipped to be relevant in this industry.

There is some movement at Humber College, but it's more geared towards skill sets for recording performers in a studio and album production. Electronic film or TV scoring is relegated to elective and optional (second-class) studies. There are independent schools that have a greater focus on this. I think ehMaccer "Vacuvox" teaches film composition at one of them. But really, composition for electronic media is the only happening sector of the music industry as I see it. Well paying session work? Minute. Theatre work? Minute. Club work? Crap pay and extremely transient. Commissioned compositions for orchestras/wind ensembles/schools? A tough way to make a living. But computer-based composition for picture is where the work is... and yet it's hardly taught.

That's a problem, and I see it as being traceable back to the teachers' personal background and experience. There should be greater awareness of industry out there, and teachers should be compelled to keep up, instead of relying on their own "culture" and background.

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Jobs solution is to dump dump textbooks for a central database of information? Who decides what goes in, what goes out, and how it's worded? Who owns the database? Who decides/guards access?
Although I would agree with Jobs' concept, all of your questions regarding it are VERY good ones.
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Then I guess we'll just fire kids that don't produce in schools.
How capitalist. I can't wait till walmart is running my school board.
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That's a problem, and I see it as being traceable back to the teachers' personal background and experience. There should be greater awareness of industry out there, and teachers should be compelled to keep up, instead of relying on their own "culture" and background.
All very well said... It's funny that you should point that out, as one of the research projects that my wife is currently undertaking as part of her post-graduate degree in Music Education at U of T is the reliance on traditional approaches to music education and whether or not these traditional approaches are meeting the needs of modern music students.

Her focus is more on things like the euro-centric canon than on technology aspects per se, but the ideology is somewhat consistent regardless....
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Old Feb 18th, 2007, 02:25 PM   #10
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Then I guess we'll just fire kids that don't produce in schools.
How capitalist. I can't wait till walmart is running my school board.
I don't know whose you're referring to, all I know is that -- despite your cynicism -- what you say is reality. Always has, always will be. The kids may not get fired at school, but they won't get hired in the real world if they don't have relevant skill sets.
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