Evidence of MacTel Issue Problem

groovetube · Oct 24th, 2005, 06:08 PM

Agreed Kosh. It's really very simple.
all he wants to know is if this 1500 bucks he's laying down on a laptop gonna be good for probably about 3 or so years. People like to use their macs for a few years, past that their usefulness begins to wane, most people are aware of this. Is it going to be as useful when the intel macs debut. (of course it will!)
Too bad the sales guy couldn't answer a simple question and make the damn sale. The iBook would have been a good choice.

Gtracs · Oct 24th, 2005, 07:14 PM

What difference does it make whether or not Mactel laptops will be coming out, or when? How will that make a PPC laptop "obsolete" before time itself does? If you want/need a laptop, buy the best one you can get now. Either way that's not a PC laptop. A PC is worse than just obsolete.

Jeff

Gtracs · Oct 24th, 2005, 07:19 PM

And where can I get my Apple pyjamas?

nikster2004 · Oct 24th, 2005, 08:48 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by Snubnose
	I agree...but I think it is also Apple's loss, wouldn't you say?

You would think that employees are trained to say "No" to a question like "Do you expect trouble with future products?".

You dad is a good example of how people would be a lot more comfortable buying Macs once they run on Intel though. Because if the scary OS X doesn't work out for you, you can just install Windows on your MacIntel and have a normal (nice even) windows PC. Not that anyone would do that but it would be great as a peace of mind kind of thing.

Trevor... · Oct 24th, 2005, 10:58 PM

I wouldn't anticipate any remarkable problems with the Intel based macs, beyond the typical QC problems often encountered today.

I have been using a developer setup a fair bit lately, and I am really quite impressed with Mac OS X for Intel.

The only real issue I have seen up to this point is that alot of plug-ins and codecs that are highly optimized for PowerPC don't work at all.

I would however fully expect that to be resolved long before any end user lays hands on one of these machines.

I was really, really concerned about the PowerPC emulation, I had fears of another Classic type environment, (I HATE CLASSIC!!!) but it really is invisible to the end user. It is completely 100% seamless. It is what Classic should have been.

Even things like games work, with full 3D acceleration. Granted, at present that is limited to the Intel 915 chipset in the box, but none the less, you will be able to play the PowerPC version Return to Castle Wolfenstein, on an Intel machine with full 3D acceleration from your videocard.

The only thing I am really, really worried about is that Apple might do away with using real video hardware in their consumer hardware, Radeon, GeForce ect. in favor of intergrated chipsets, such as the Intel 915 in the developer hardware.

BrianD · Oct 25th, 2005, 10:43 AM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by groovetube
	Too bad the sales guy couldn't answer a simple question and make the damn sale. The iBook would have been a good choice.

Why is everybody assuming the sales person did not try to make the sale? All we have been told is 'one sentence' of a conversation between two people.

Everything else is unsupported extrapolation of what happened.

Some people are calling the employee's training into question, Apple's lack of communication for not telling the ground troops the entire battle plan, and a lot of other unsupported claims.

Sheesh!

groovetube · Oct 25th, 2005, 10:53 AM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by BrianD
	Why is everybody assuming the sales person did not try to make the sale? All we have been told is 'one sentence' of a conversation between two people. Everything else is unsupported extrapolation of what happened. Some people are calling the employee's training into question, Apple's lack of communication for not telling the ground troops the entire battle plan, and a lot of other unsupported claims. Sheesh!

well clearly the guy walked out spooked because the salesguy didn't give him an accurate picture of how a ppc iBook would still be a very worthwhile investment.
That says it all to me.

gmark2000 · Oct 25th, 2005, 12:45 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by Snubnose
	...and I think you have a wonderful way with words, my friend! I think your Dad is a stupidhead! Clearly my Dad doesn't know the ins and outs of Macs- that is the POINT-- he is an average computer buyer. And to all that have said how dumb it is to expect Apple employees to know NDA level stuff- this isn't what I would think. I was talking about at least knowing some key talking points-- even the stuff covered in that Macworld link would have sufficed.

What does "stupidhead" have to do with your family's ignorance?

I think you are answering your own question in this thread. Namely YOU didn't adequately explain to him why you are a happy Mac user and educate him on YOUR buying decision.

groovetube · Oct 25th, 2005, 02:07 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by Snubnose
	...and I think you have a wonderful way with words, my friend! I think your Dad is a stupidhead! Clearly my Dad doesn't know the ins and outs of Macs- that is the POINT-- he is an average computer buyer. And to all that have said how dumb it is to expect Apple employees to know NDA level stuff- this isn't what I would think. I was talking about at least knowing some key talking points-- even the stuff covered in that Macworld link would have sufficed.

ignore morons who have nothing better to do than post annoying crap like that.
Unfortunately message boards attract some lowlifes it seems.

Macaholic · Oct 25th, 2005, 02:11 PM

I was at BestBuy the other day, and this couple were looking at Macs. The husband said to not bother buying a mac right now "because they're going Windows next year".

LMFAO.

Oct 24th, 2005, 06:08 PM	#31
groovetube Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,367	Agreed Kosh. It's really very simple. all he wants to know is if this 1500 bucks he's laying down on a laptop gonna be good for probably about 3 or so years. People like to use their macs for a few years, past that their usefulness begins to wane, most people are aware of this. Is it going to be as useful when the intel macs debut. (of course it will!) Too bad the sales guy couldn't answer a simple question and make the damn sale. The iBook would have been a good choice. __________________ If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested." - Tom Wolfe

Oct 25th, 2005, 02:11 PM	#40
Macaholic Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,754	I was at BestBuy the other day, and this couple were looking at Macs. The husband said to not bother buying a mac right now "because they're going Windows next year". LMFAO. __________________ 32GB iPad WiFi. 15" MacBook Pro 2.4GHz Core2 Duo/6GB/200GB/GeForce 8600M GT 256MB GPU/DL-DVDRW/24" BenQ LCD. MacBook 2.4GHz Core2 Duo/2GB/200GB/DL-DVDRW >3TB of FW drives, 16GB iPod Touch, 8GB 5th gen Nano, Canon HV20 HD-DV cam, Kodak digicam, Canon scanner, Canon iP5400 printer, Jailbroken 8GB iPhone 3G. In memoriam: my Sawtooth "Frankenmac" with dual 1.3GHz G4/2GB/360GB striped RAID/DVDRW/ATI Radeon 9000 Pro

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Oct 24th, 2005, 07:14 PM	#32
Gtracs New Neighbour Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2	What difference does it make whether or not Mactel laptops will be coming out, or when? How will that make a PPC laptop "obsolete" before time itself does? If you want/need a laptop, buy the best one you can get now. Either way that's not a PC laptop. A PC is worse than just obsolete. Jeff

Oct 24th, 2005, 07:19 PM	#33
Gtracs New Neighbour Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2	And where can I get my Apple pyjamas?

Oct 24th, 2005, 10:58 PM	#35
Trevor... Honourable Citizen Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,402	I wouldn't anticipate any remarkable problems with the Intel based macs, beyond the typical QC problems often encountered today. I have been using a developer setup a fair bit lately, and I am really quite impressed with Mac OS X for Intel. The only real issue I have seen up to this point is that alot of plug-ins and codecs that are highly optimized for PowerPC don't work at all. I would however fully expect that to be resolved long before any end user lays hands on one of these machines. I was really, really concerned about the PowerPC emulation, I had fears of another Classic type environment, (I HATE CLASSIC!!!) but it really is invisible to the end user. It is completely 100% seamless. It is what Classic should have been. Even things like games work, with full 3D acceleration. Granted, at present that is limited to the Intel 915 chipset in the box, but none the less, you will be able to play the PowerPC version Return to Castle Wolfenstein, on an Intel machine with full 3D acceleration from your videocard. The only thing I am really, really worried about is that Apple might do away with using real video hardware in their consumer hardware, Radeon, GeForce ect. in favor of intergrated chipsets, such as the Intel 915 in the developer hardware.