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Old Oct 16th, 2005, 07:22 PM   #1
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I went to the Apple store for the second time yesterday, hoping for some unique accessories and stuff. And nothing, except a pile of people buying iPod nanos.

I've visited most of the stores around town, and can't help but feel that there's really a lack of accessories for the PBs, iMacs, and G5s. There are lots of accessories available for the iPods, but not the Nano, and not the ones I'm looking for.

So, below's a list for stores to look into carrying:

PhotoControl PB docks
Crystal Film for Powerbooks
And other Power Support stuff: http://www.powersupportusa.com/produ...hp?category=pb
Booq bags (I think Creative Tech has these?)
IO Gear Stuff

And most of all, prices comparable to US list prices (+ exchange). (i.e. iLap 12"+ $49 USD = $79 CAD at Carbon? C'mon guys, it's not five years ago and 1.60 exc. rate).
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Old Oct 16th, 2005, 07:37 PM   #2
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And most of all, prices comparable to US list prices (+ exchange). (i.e. iLap 12"+ $49 USD = $79 CAD at Carbon? C'mon guys, it's not five years ago and 1.60 exc. rate).
Don't forget, they may not be purchasing the item in bulk, so it costs more. There is shipping, border taxes, and profit to consider as well. Although i do understand your frustration.
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Old Oct 16th, 2005, 07:37 PM   #3
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Here's the problem. If the dealer wants to bring in that iLap case special, it's going to cost $15 - $20 in shipping charges.

The only things a dealer can compete on are product that can be ordered in quantities large enough to bring in a batch to spread out the shipping cost (therefore it has to be something that sells quickly enough so that it doesn't sit on the shelf until it's obsolete), or a product that a mainstream Canadian wholesaler stocks, and can be ordered together on a regular stocking order with other products (like hard drives and software) that sell well.

Unfortunately, the major wholesaler in Canada that handles Mac products, EMJ, was bought out by a PC-Generic supplier wholesaler, and their service, selection and stocking in Canada has gone for a nosedive. (Story: I sent in a report of an error they have in their web catalog - my email bounced back to me several times with the message that "I am out of the office for the Chinese National Holiday" -- the formerly Canadian company has outsourced their catalog maintenance to China...)

Your US$49 product looks something like this when you bring it into Canada by UPS:

US$ 49 + shipping to Canada US$20 x exchange 1.22 (remember that the charge card company and bank each take 2% extra profit on the exchange) + CAN$16 brokerage fee from UPS + both GST and provincial taxes as appropriate.

US$49 becomes CAN$100 before tax when you ship it by UPS.
If you use US Postal Service, you can cut it down to US$49 + $16 x 1.22 + 8 brokerage fee from Canada Post = CAN$87 before tax.

So a Canadian retail price of $79 that you can pick right up is completely in line with what you can expect.
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where are you getting your wild shipping estamates from? $20.00 to ship a light piece of plastic?
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Old Oct 16th, 2005, 07:53 PM   #5
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where are you getting your wild shipping estamates from? $20.00 to ship a light piece of plastic?
Have you ever shipped something from the US using UPS or FedEx? They are not cheap, and just about any online store who uses UPS or FedEx for shipping in the US charges high shipping rates to Canada, no matter what the product. Just check out Crucial and their shipping charges for RAM from the US to Canada.
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Old Oct 16th, 2005, 08:02 PM   #6
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I went to the Apple store for the second time yesterday, hoping for some unique accessories and stuff. And nothing, except a pile of people buying iPod nanos.

I've visited most of the stores around town, and can't help but feel that there's really a lack of accessories for the PBs, iMacs, and G5s. There are lots of accessories available for the iPods, but not the Nano, and not the ones I'm looking for.

So, below's a list for stores to look into carrying:

PhotoControl PB docks
Crystal Film for Powerbooks
And other Power Support stuff: http://www.powersupportusa.com/produ...hp?category=pb
Booq bags (I think Creative Tech has these?)
IO Gear Stuff

And most of all, prices comparable to US list prices (+ exchange). (i.e. iLap 12"+ $49 USD = $79 CAD at Carbon? C'mon guys, it's not five years ago and 1.60 exc. rate).
The biggest problem all dealers face is supply and demand. There is not enough demand for the gear that you're requesting to have in stock at all times. If any store were to operate in having everything on the shelf that they could get their hands on, without the demand of the product in large quantities, the product ends up collecting dust and the company has to write it off as a loss. That is why most places will allow for you to order the product in, which of course you will pay more then if you went down to the US and bought it there. Perhaps not, after you add in the taxes, fuel to drive down, time it costs to go and pick it up etc.... it could add up to the same or more in the end.

How many PC users go out and by something like a Booq bag? Not many I can tell you right now, and the Mac market in most cities is quite small to have so many products in stock on the shelf for everyone. It just doesn't make sense from a business perspective. I myself, I tend to buy straight from the companies website if I want something like a Booq Bag, if I know it is going to be a hassle to find a local dealer who actually carries that model, or has to wait weeks to order it in, and then the cost might be higher for me in the end.

As for the Nano accessories, that is a problem world wide and not only for Canadians. Companies were slow to come out with their cases etc.... there are now plenty of them who have products, but give Canadian retailers a chance to grab some of the goodies and bring them into Canada. You should see plenty of products for the Nano in the upcoming months here in Canada.
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Old Oct 16th, 2005, 08:06 PM   #7
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where are you getting your wild shipping estamates from? $20.00 to ship a light piece of plastic?
A laptop case or stand may be light, but when you ship it, it is billed by "Cubic weight" which caculates by the L x W X H of the package. We shipped an iCurve stand: it was actually 0.3 Kg, but the cubic weight on the package was 3.6 Kg and cost $23 to ship.

Just for fun, I went to one of the US sellers (mac-pro.com) and filled out an order for the iLap 12". Their shipping cost is US$30.51 via UPS (slowest method) from California to Victoria BC. FexEx Ground from Raindesign directly is US$27.90

So I underestimated.

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A couple of points responding to yours about pricing. Yes, I understand that Mac retailers need to make a profit. But here's a few issues:

1) The dealer will not pay $49 + shipping to get the product here. Please, that's the retail price. Booq bags are available, and at very reasonable prices, through Creative Technology. No they don't have every model, but the price is very comparable to the US pricing. A $49 US bag was $59 there. So there. . . Your comparison is silly. Carbon has the iLaps, and trust me, it doesn't order only one at a time. Geez, we're talking about retailers buyer from wholesalers here. . .

2) I'd believe you about the issue about stock, but Toronto's Mac community is large enough to support well thought out choices. For example, I was in Carbon the other day, and they choose to bring in Crumpler, which is very expensive for what it is, and really poorly designed (for laptop/work use anyways) and not very ergonomic. They need better merchandisers, and people capable of marketing their product well. I've seen their ads in the Now: nothing very compelling there.

(It's not as if PC users don't have any style; they probably haven't seen the selection of bags they could be choosing from.)

3) Granted, the photo-control dock is an expensive, niche item. But the Clear Screen has been recommended by many. Why not stick one on a display PB and have people ooh and ahh all the way to their wallets? It's all about knowing the product and the market.
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Old Oct 16th, 2005, 08:18 PM   #9
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A couple of points responding to yours about pricing. Yes, I understand that Mac retailers need to make a profit. But here's a few issues:

1) The dealer will not pay $49 + shipping to get the product here.
I didn't say they paid $49, I said you would. You're the one who said you could get it for $49 plus exchange from the US. My point is that your comparison using exchange rate only is using the wrong yardstick, and that the $79 price is less than your landed cost.

And in some cases, the Canadian distributors take so much margin that they actually charge more for the product wholesale than the US retail price.

I don't know what the wholesale is on the iLap, they have to be bought from Raindesign directly, but I would guess the dealers are paying US$39 - $41 each for them plus the costs to import. That's way more profit than Apple Canada items, by the way, Apple allows the dealers to make 3% - 5% profit. Of which they give up 2% (sometimes more than half of what they make) when you pull out your Visa or MasterCard.

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2) I'd believe you about the issue about stock, but Toronto's Mac community is large enough to support well thought out choices.
Disagree with you there. Yeah there are Mac users, but many of them will go mailorder or offshore to save $5.00. The dealer has to compete with Apple store online and Yorkville as well. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating: What you DO see in stock at your local store IS what the market will support. If it were otherwise, the dealer would stock more.

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Old Oct 16th, 2005, 08:38 PM   #10
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Beggers can't be choosers.

You want products that only a few dealers carry, yet then complain about prices. I think that the businesses have a pretty good grasp on how to price product. If they couldn't sell it at $80, they probably would either lower the price, or not sell them at all.

By the way...

Lacie Porsche 250GB HD - $169 - Lacie US Store
Lacie Porsche 250GB HD - $339 - Apple Canada Store

Stuff DOES cost more when it comes across the border.
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