Pro Users Tiger or Panther?? and did you know...?

MacDoc · Jun 15th, 2005, 10:49 PM

I'm concerned that Apple just slipped this Tiger only on new G5s situation on the community with no warning and wondered how many know about this issue and where Pro users are with Panther versus Tiger.

I can't seem to get a poll set up here so I'd appreciate feedback in these areas from Pro users. If you can copy and paste the category you work in plus the OS you currently use beside the categories. Thanks

	Quote:
	Graphics CS and Quark Pro Audio - Protools - other Pro Audio apps Logic etc Pro Video and answer this. Did you know the new Macs are Tiger only?? Yes or No Does this affect your plans/buying decision?? Yes or No

Any other comments about Tiger migration, surprises etc from PRO users please.....your time is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
I'm really trying to get a feel for the issue and advise clients accurately. We have one guy completely hung between FCP working better on Tiger and Protools not working at all

The Quicktime issues are not helping

RJaMmin · Jun 15th, 2005, 11:15 PM

Graphics: CS2 and Quark 6.5 both work fine for me under Tiger. I've had no major problems other than suitcase not always updating/loading fonts immediately.

Did you know the new Macs are Tiger only?? No

Does this affect your plans/buying decision??
No, as I am happy with my current system & hoping to get a few years out of it. May look to add a laptop in near future, but I'll probably wait 'til the Intel transition is complete & go from there.

anal-log · Jun 15th, 2005, 11:23 PM

Pro Audio - Protools 6.4.1 - Panther.
Running a d24 TDM system that will only run as high as Protools 6.4.1 which will not work with Tiger. Also d24 will only operate with the standard PCI slots which leaves me with no choice but stick with my Dual 1.42 MDD.

Did you know the new Macs are Tiger only?? NO

Does this affect your plans/buying decision?? YES

mycatsnameis · Jun 15th, 2005, 11:37 PM

Well it's never been any secret that, as soon as a new OS ids brought out, that Apple ships it by default on all its computers (within a month or two of launch, depending on inventory levels etc.). I don't see why this would come as a surprise (MacDoc I'm sure you know this right?)

AFAIK, there has never been any option to "back date" to an old OS version when ordering a new machine.

You can always wipe the HD with a clean Panther install. As long as Panther is compatible with the h/w that should not be a problem.

ArtistSeries · Jun 15th, 2005, 11:39 PM

MacDoc,

We have purchased Tiger for certain machines but went back to Panther.

Issues involved mostly QT.

I learned from you that the new Macs are Tiger only. We cancelled an order for five Machines after that: until we can get more information, they are on hold.
We also have not upgraded FCP studio because the optimum system is 10.4
We have decided to wait and see more feedback. We can't afford to loose production time at this moment.

Graphics: Adobe CS suite, DeBabelizer Pro
Pro Video: FCP studio, Adobe AE, Avid

Other smaller issue - 10.4 and/or QT 7 completely breaks Adobe Premiere. A product that we need for legacy jobs at times.

kent · Jun 15th, 2005, 11:41 PM

Graphics: Adobe CS Suite, VectorWorks, PowerCADD, Form Z, Maya, Sketch-Up

Pro Audio: N/A

Pro Video: N/A

and answer this.

Did you know the new Macs are Tiger only?? No

Does this affect your plans/buying decision?? No - to be honest, I'll probably upgrade to a Dual G5 PowerMac within a few months.

.... Just out of curiosity, why would Tiger-only compatibility affect a buying decision anyway? I'm running Tiger now and really like it. What would affect my buying decision more is the whole switch to intel ... I worry that developers will tend to optimize their software towards the intel processor instead of both ...

vacuvox · Jun 15th, 2005, 11:59 PM

Pro Audio - Logic
Did you know the new Macs are Tiger only?? Yes
Did this affect your plans/buying decision?? Yes

I was aiming for a new dual 2.0GHz G5. It looked ideal because of its regular PCI slots which are more friendly to my UAD dsp cards than PCI-X. But the Tiger-only limitation and the blow-out price of a new Panther G5 on clearance, made the decision for me.

G5/1.8 dual/2.25GB/OS 10.3.9/Logic 7.1/Pro Application Support 3.0/QuickTime 6.5 (QuickTime 7 does not seem to work with Logic!)

Everything running smoothly. But I still have to keep an OS9 tower around for importing OMF files into Logic 6. All OSX versions of Logic are, so far, crippled in this regard. That's progress. Otherwise Logic 7 on a G5 rocks!

thejst · Jun 16th, 2005, 12:18 AM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by vacuvox
	Pro Audio - Logic* Otherwise Logic 7 on a G5 rocks!*

it's true. it rocks, especially when m-audio got their drivers out....

did I know new G5's were Tiger only?
No, and I am concerned by this, and by not being told directly.

MacDoc · Jun 16th, 2005, 12:18 AM

Hmmmm - are still any DP 1.8s in the market?? - I was considering adding them and you've brought up a damn good reason to get a few in.

It's exactly this sort of info that's needed. Thanks so far......more please.

I'm glad to hear the major graphic apps are reasonable on Tiger - that's the approach we are taking with new DP 2 which we like BUT were annoyed about the Tiger only thing.

Pelao · Jun 16th, 2005, 07:10 AM

	Quote:
	Graphics CS and Quark Did you know the new Macs are Tiger only?? Yes Does this affect your plans/buying decision?? No

Our 2 G5 PMs have been upgraded to Tiger, and all our PBs are now Tiger. No negative issues.

Jun 15th, 2005, 11:15 PM	#2
RJaMmin Full Citizen Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Brantford, ON Posts: 70	Graphics: CS2 and Quark 6.5 both work fine for me under Tiger. I've had no major problems other than suitcase not always updating/loading fonts immediately. Did you know the new Macs are Tiger only?? No Does this affect your plans/buying decision?? No, as I am happy with my current system & hoping to get a few years out of it. May look to add a laptop in near future, but I'll probably wait 'til the Intel transition is complete & go from there. __________________ Macbook Pro 2.53/4GB RAM/320 HD

Jun 15th, 2005, 11:41 PM	#6
kent Full Citizen Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 630	Graphics: Adobe CS Suite, VectorWorks, PowerCADD, Form Z, Maya, Sketch-Up Pro Audio: N/A Pro Video: N/A and answer this. Did you know the new Macs are Tiger only?? No Does this affect your plans/buying decision?? No - to be honest, I'll probably upgrade to a Dual G5 PowerMac within a few months. .... Just out of curiosity, why would Tiger-only compatibility affect a buying decision anyway? I'm running Tiger now and really like it. What would affect my buying decision more is the whole switch to intel ... I worry that developers will tend to optimize their software towards the intel processor instead of both ... __________________ PowerMac G5 QUAD; Cinema Display; PowerBook G4 [Al. 1.25 GHz]

Jun 16th, 2005, 12:18 AM	#9
MacDoc Honourable Citizen Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Planet Earth.....on slow boil Posts: 28,080	Hmmmm - are still any DP 1.8s in the market?? - I was considering adding them and you've brought up a damn good reason to get a few in. It's exactly this sort of info that's needed. Thanks so far......more please. I'm glad to hear the major graphic apps are reasonable on Tiger - that's the approach we are taking with new DP 2 which we like BUT were annoyed about the Tiger only thing. __________________ Are you backed up??? if not why not? - Superduper is FREE!! Find out more here Support Green- buy Bullfrog Power http://www.bullfrogpower.com/

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Jun 15th, 2005, 11:23 PM	#3
anal-log Full Citizen Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Burnaby BC Posts: 228	Pro Audio - Protools 6.4.1 - Panther. Running a d24 TDM system that will only run as high as Protools 6.4.1 which will not work with Tiger. Also d24 will only operate with the standard PCI slots which leaves me with no choice but stick with my Dual 1.42 MDD. Did you know the new Macs are Tiger only?? NO Does this affect your plans/buying decision?? YES

Jun 15th, 2005, 11:37 PM	#4
mycatsnameis Full Citizen Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 933	Well it's never been any secret that, as soon as a new OS ids brought out, that Apple ships it by default on all its computers (within a month or two of launch, depending on inventory levels etc.). I don't see why this would come as a surprise (MacDoc I'm sure you know this right?) AFAIK, there has never been any option to "back date" to an old OS version when ordering a new machine. You can always wipe the HD with a clean Panther install. As long as Panther is compatible with the h/w that should not be a problem.

Jun 15th, 2005, 11:39 PM	#5
ArtistSeries On Vacation Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,966	MacDoc, We have purchased Tiger for certain machines but went back to Panther. Issues involved mostly QT. I learned from you that the new Macs are Tiger only. We cancelled an order for five Machines after that: until we can get more information, they are on hold. We also have not upgraded FCP studio because the optimum system is 10.4 We have decided to wait and see more feedback. We can't afford to loose production time at this moment. Graphics: Adobe CS suite, DeBabelizer Pro Pro Video: FCP studio, Adobe AE, Avid Other smaller issue - 10.4 and/or QT 7 completely breaks Adobe Premiere. A product that we need for legacy jobs at times.

Jun 15th, 2005, 11:59 PM	#7
vacuvox Full Citizen Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tronna, eh? Posts: 859	Pro Audio - Logic Did you know the new Macs are Tiger only?? Yes Did this affect your plans/buying decision?? Yes I was aiming for a new dual 2.0GHz G5. It looked ideal because of its regular PCI slots which are more friendly to my UAD dsp cards than PCI-X. But the Tiger-only limitation and the blow-out price of a new Panther G5 on clearance, made the decision for me. G5/1.8 dual/2.25GB/OS 10.3.9/Logic 7.1/Pro Application Support 3.0/QuickTime 6.5 (QuickTime 7 does not seem to work with Logic!) Everything running smoothly. But I still have to keep an OS9 tower around for importing OMF files into Logic 6. All OSX versions of Logic are, so far, crippled in this regard. That's progress. Otherwise Logic 7 on a G5 rocks!