Apple had a very slow quarter, particularly towers yet we've seen no fall off at all as we've had 9 bootable towers available.

Do you think or do you have first hand knowledge of the "no 9" impact on purchase decisions.??

Now I know part is lack of speed bump and noise but for Pro shops the noise is minor.

Hard evidence, personal knowledge preferred, well thought out speculation appreciated.

Apple would have done well to keep "dual boot" Macs available for a while.
OS X sales not canibalized and those that want to try out X can, and then maybe convince the rest of the shop to do so as well.

All of my clients are staying with 9 and if they are looking to buy machines the FIRST thing I hear is that "It has to boot into 9"

I currently have a client in a predicament. All of their iMacs are OS 9 Macs, but one of the Macs needs some expensive repairs and they are looking at a replacement. What do I tell them - "Sorry, but you will have to learn this entirely new operating system."
Pretty crazy. I am currently trying to convince them to get an older Mac that is OS 9 bootable.

Print shop Prepress Dept. About to go Direct to Plate. Blue & White G3s & Beige G3s run to the Image setter.

75% of Clients are QX4.11 or lower, 2 are QX5, {in 2 years, we have had 3 requests for Indesign resulting in 2 projects...} The rest are a mix of PDF, MS Publisher, Powerpoint, Word or worse...

Some shops have 1 OSX box to play with/get familiar with it.

I have a G4 400 at home that I had to triple the RAM and add a Hd to in order to load OSX 10.1.5, It doesn't work with my scanner, Printer and I can't get ridd of System Fonts.

I know Jaguar fixes a lot of this, but there are still things I am reading about and don't like. I am waiting now for Panther to see if migration is smoother.

I'm too busy right now and the economy is too soft to invest in what is, IMHO an unfinished OS and more powerfull equipment while what I have is in demand and Works....

Personally, I think Jobs murdered OS9 in order to "Force" users into a change they don't want yet.

OS X shows excellent promise, but I'll move when I want to...

we have 7 macs in the studio - 3 are on OSX and each one has had problems since day 1. the other 4 OS9 machines are fine. so far, OSX just seems like a pretty face and isn't yielding better performance or capabilities than my tried-and-tested 9.2.2.

I think if you think OS9 is better, you have some serious issues with OSX. I used OS9 for about 6 months and I could not stand it. Thank god the OSX Public Beta was out then.

I think the biggest problems is learning the new OS, once you get into it there is not a problem. The OS is stable if you stick with what you have. If 10.2.1 works fine for you, STAY with it. Do not upgrade.

I also find that OSX does much better with a yearly or so clean install. I've been using OSX since day one, but I still fail to catch all the little bugs that pop up. But, again, it is stable.. but the performance takes a hit with log files and such.

Also, don't use any of those disk maintenance programs. I find that they cause so many problems out there, I've never had to use them and I've run fsck -u once since I bought my Ti book last year.

Cheers,

RtC

P.S. As for Apple going OS9, I think it had to be done sometime, and they chose now. Good choice!

First of all, I have to say that OSX is the only reason I am using a Mac. I have booted into OS9 to check it out, and can only say, it is an ancient operating system, it feels like Im still using the Mac OS I used in school in 1992. And this is ten years later no inovation. Mac OSX on the other hand, is the first consumer orriented UNIX based system and that is exciting.

And JAMG, How can you describe OSX as unfinshed? Sure nothing is ever "finished" but Mac OSX Jaguar, is a finshed product that has almost no problems. I feel Panther should not change anything, just be a recompile for 64 bit PPC970.

migs, OSX just a pretty face? Yeah Right! Time to get of the crack! OSX simply said could look like crap and I would still use it, why? Because it is incredibly stable, never freezes (for me). Also unlike your beloved OS9, Mac OSX does "multitasking", and currently I am:
1) Listening to music (iTunes)
2) Recording TV (eyeTV)
3) Working on Word document, (while websites are loading)
4) Importing encoding MP3 (iTunes)
5) Downloading files with Limewire
6) Talking on MSN messenger, and ICQ.

With OS9 that would be suicide, the apps would crash or the whole system freeze. Infact, that is worse then windows, with OS9 after an app crashed you have to restart the system.


I guess what I meant to say is: I support apples descion on making new Macs non-os9. And for those that say classic Mac OS is better go back to the 80s. Maybe Atari is better than PS2, Xbox?? Because OSX is the future, and finally also the present!

"1) Listening to music (iTunes)
2) Recording TV (eyeTV)
3) Working on Word document, (while websites are loading)
4) Importing encoding MP3 (iTunes)
5) Downloading files with Limewire
6) Talking on MSN messenger, and ICQ."


Wow.... That's far more demanding than a prepress dept... How do you do it?

Did you use a head hunter to find this job? I don't think I've seen ads for self entertainment, Data entry, pirating/porn searches and chatting....

Cool Career..... dude!!!!

{I am constantly amazed at how personal people get if you don't measure up to their recent purchases....}

Thankyou JAMG couldn't have said it better. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

"Insert clevrname" .....millions of Mac users are doing all that and more at the same time on 9 and running stable. Even Apple itself thought at best 20% of it's 25 million user base would be moved to X by January.

That wasn't the question and since you know nothing of 9 it would be hard for you to give first hand knowledge.

The fact that you bought because of X IS useful and pertinent information and for consumers and those who support consumer machines X is wonderful.
•••••

Rick in some industries it's not amatter of choice but necessity to stay on 9 - X simply will not work.
Peter has clients with driver issues for the prepress RIPs as well as Quark issues.
Most have a box or two and are playing with X and nearly all use it at home.

One major client has finally switched but runs Quark in Classic - since he has dual 1.25s with max RAM and arrayed drives he is getting by but his chief Photoshop guy is still unhappy about the slow finder/screen performance compared to 9.

I switch back and forth but the main work gets done on 9 as X is simply to slow and still has holes for the work flow I use.
My daughter loves X and I love it for her as it's stable.

I posted the thread not to debate merits ( there have been lots of debates here on X versus 9 ) but to determine a possible cause for slow tower sales.
Could be
a) not enough benefit
b) too loud
c) no OS 9 boot
d) slow economy
or a combination of all three but I suspect X only has an impact as our sales of 867DP dual boots have not slowed at all and it's been the best selling unit we've ever had desptie the noise. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

More comments/insight appreciated

Actually Im self employed. I sell and buy items online, mainly antiques. And, YES, this is a job and is very demanding since I have to work from 9-5 and also be online 3 hours at night (1-4am) to be in contact with suppliers overseas. So yes, It may be more demanding than running a prepress dept.

Btw, I was in no way attacking you, just felt your opinions are wrong.

insertclevername

I have 2 issues with your last post...

1. "I was in no way attacking you, just felt your opinions are wrong"

Opinions can not be "Wrong".... Conclusions can be wrong.
How I "feel" is something you can disagree with, but you can not debate... Poor choice of words....

2. I sell and buy items online, ... It may be more demanding than running a prepress dept.

Don't even go there..... Sales is a completely different career with different skills and stresses, but don't compare web surfing, MS word and negotiating a deal with design, production, IT, Flightchecking, troubleshooting and fixing the work of countless clients of varying skill and knowledge using 10 or 15 different software applications on Mac and PC under evertightening deadlines and shrinking profit margins......