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Old Oct 24th, 2012, 03:07 PM   #81
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its definitely the thinnest and lightest desktop that this has ever been implemented in.

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Old Oct 24th, 2012, 03:16 PM   #82
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Being in college, I actually use the college iMac's. And ive got to say, the new thinner design draws my attention alot. Although i wonder why they left the base non user uprgadable but the 27 have 4 user accessible slots.. Also, Why not put the Cooling vents at the top so using natural forces, heat rises and cool air is sucked in by the fan?
The thin edges looks great, but its kind of deceptive as it gets bigger in the rear. The press pictures, and even when he showed it on stage, they only tilted so much. If the whole machine was that thing, then it would be a real WOW
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Old Oct 24th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #83
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The Seagate Hybrid drive is not like the Fusion Drive at all, so comparing the two is unrealistic.

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Fusion Drive is nothing like a hybrid drive... It's two different and separate drives software *fused* into a single usable drive.
It is very much like a hybrid drive, the real difference is that it integrates with OS and the nature of how it caches (or not caches, depending on how one refers to it):

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There are other hybrid models of blending SSD and mechanical disks to save money, but none of them are able to integrate with the OS and do it as intelligently as Apple is able to with Fusion Drive.

The real benefit, of course, is dependent on how Apple has set up its algorithms to manage all this.
It does sound like this approach is a step up from other hybrid concepts. Time will tell.
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Old Oct 24th, 2012, 03:53 PM   #84
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It is very much like a hybrid drive, the real difference is that it integrates with OS and the nature of how it caches (or not caches, depending on how one refers to it):



It does sound like this approach is a step up from other hybrid concepts. Time will tell.
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It will be very interesting to see how Boot Camp, CCC and Super Duper handle all this Fusion Drive stuff.

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Old Oct 24th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #86
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It is very much like a hybrid drive, the real difference is that it integrates with OS and the nature of how it caches (or not caches, depending on how one refers to it):
everything ive read about this seems to suggest the OS copies "apps" onto the SSD. well thats great, but what about my documents? photos? videos? all the other crap i use on a daily basis?
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It is very much like a hybrid drive, the real difference is that it integrates with OS and the nature of how it caches (or not caches, depending on how one refers to it):
From Anand:

"4GB write buffer is the only cache-like component to Apple's Fusion Drive. Everything else works as an OS directed pinning algorithm instead of an SSD cache."

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everything ive read about this seems to suggest the OS copies "apps" onto the SSD. well thats great, but what about my documents? photos? videos? all the other crap i use on a daily basis?
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"In other words, Mountain Lion will physically move frequently used files, data and entire applications to the 128GB of NAND Flash storage and move less frequently used items to the hard disk"
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everything ive read about this seems to suggest the OS copies "apps" onto the SSD. well thats great, but what about my documents? photos? videos? all the other crap i use on a daily basis?
All your "crap" stuff gets coppied to the HDD apparently, that is until certain files get accessed and opened with some frequency, then they may get moved to the SSD for faster access.

Edit: Sorry fyrefly, I missed seeing that you had already replied.
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The fusion drive really solves a lot of issues in the desktop space going forward. Desktop storage with Flash performance for the things you do the most is a really great solution to the problem with storage for a desktop machine. The fact that this all happens at OS level is great. My big gripe is that it should have been standard across the board (knowing Apple it will be by the next update or the one after). Form over function will always be a factor in any Apple product as they value design as much as performance. That is part of Steve culture, and what creates that emotional response to a product that takes it from a reasonable seller, to a colossal success. It is the not so secret sauce that the rest of the industry just doesn't grasp. So the rest of the industry sells you specs in a utilitarian package. If that is what you want, the choice is yours. Having said that, it will never be what you lust. Apple creates that lust and this iMac will invigorate their desktop sales. I love it, I will buy it in the next year as I have been waiting for over a year to see this come. The one thing we never heard during the Keynote emphasized was "Post-PC." That was a relief to me personally. The iMac looks good in pictures, but I imagine it will knock people out in person.
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It will be very interesting to see how Boot Camp, CCC and Super Duper handle all this Fusion Drive stuff.

More info AnandTech - Understanding Apple's Fusion Drive
Thanks for the link Joker Eh... Anand is my trusted source on such matters.

G-Mo no need for the face plant... even Anand thought the same until he learned more... It seems you are really on top of this stuff, good for you.
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