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Old Apr 2nd, 2009, 09:51 AM   #71
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Note the other "restrictions": only (?) 10,000 minutes per month and only (?) 6 hours per day.... For $2.95/month that beats the snot out of Rogers/Bell/etc.
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Old Apr 2nd, 2009, 11:45 AM   #72
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I know the voice only works with wifi, but anyone know if that chat feature will work on 3G? or is that limited as well to wifi?
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Old Apr 2nd, 2009, 11:47 AM   #73
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good question, let me test it for you.
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Old Apr 2nd, 2009, 11:49 AM   #74
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yes the text chatting works just fine over 3G
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Old Apr 2nd, 2009, 11:55 AM   #75
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yes the text chatting works just fine over 3G
Thanks, makes sense that it would work, but wasnt sure if they would just limit the whole app or just the specific calling feature.
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Old Apr 2nd, 2009, 11:57 AM   #76
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Old Apr 2nd, 2009, 01:47 PM   #77
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Well, it's "quite" true if you find that the CRTC no longer tells wireless or VOIP providers what to do (so long as they provide 911 services). As for "treating customers fairly," try calling up the CRTC and see what happens if you feel unfairly treated. You'll be passed on to another agency. So how about "almost entirely true, for all intents and purposes, the CRTC has virtually nothing to do with VOIP and wireless."


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Not quite true.

Extracts from the CRTC website:
"The CRTC is an independent public authority that regulates and supervises broadcasting and telecommunications in Canada.

911 service charges -
The CRTC requires wireless service providers to give their customers 911 services wherever these services are available.
By February 1, 2010, at the latest, emergency responders must be able to determine the location of a person using a cellphone to call 911 with much greater precision.

Rates, quality of service and business practices -
The CRTC does not regulate the rates, quality of service or business practices of wireless service providers because the market for wireless services is sufficiently competitive. The CRTC still plays a role in ensuring the confidentiality of customer information and ensuring that customers are treated fairly."
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Old Apr 2nd, 2009, 02:52 PM   #78
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True enough - however the CRTC does have the power:
"The CRTC uses the objectives in the Broadcasting Act and the Telecommunications Act to guide its policy decisions. In telecommunications, the CRTC ensures that Canadians receive reliable telephone and other telecommunications services, at affordable prices.
But the CRTC’s role in telecommunications is evolving. In many telecom markets, several consumer choices are available. This natural competition results in better prices and packages for consumers. In these cases, CRTC allows competition, not regulations, to drive the market. The CRTC regulates only where the market doesn’t meet the objectives of the Telecommunications Act."

On your other point, I absolutely agree that the CRTC is not a champion of customers and passes the buck to another agency or, based on personal experience, gives you completely unsatisfactory, form-letter responses that say and do nothing.

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Well, it's "quite" true if you find that the CRTC no longer tells wireless or VOIP providers what to do (so long as they provide 911 services). As for "treating customers fairly," try calling up the CRTC and see what happens if you feel unfairly treated. You'll be passed on to another agency. So how about "almost entirely true, for all intents and purposes, the CRTC has virtually nothing to do with VOIP and wireless."
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Don't you feel a little, well, queasy, quoting something that doesn't happen; while we are instead being 'treated' with the objectionable reality that Canadian cell carriers charge whatever they can get away with, with no actual oversight at all by the CRTC or anyone else?

"The CRTC allows competition, not regulation" = there are no regulations. There is nothing to enforce.


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True enough - however the CRTC does have the power:
"The CRTC uses the objectives in the Broadcasting Act and the Telecommunications Act to guide its policy decisions. In telecommunications, the CRTC ensures that Canadians receive reliable telephone and other telecommunications services, at affordable prices.
But the CRTC’s role in telecommunications is evolving. In many telecom markets, several consumer choices are available. This natural competition results in better prices and packages for consumers. In these cases, CRTC allows competition, not regulations, to drive the market. The CRTC regulates only where the market doesn’t meet the objectives of the Telecommunications Act."

On your other point, I absolutely agree that the CRTC is not a champion of customers and passes the buck to another agency or, based on personal experience, gives you completely unsatisfactory, form-letter responses that say and do nothing.
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Old Apr 2nd, 2009, 03:23 PM   #80
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I get queasy at the mere thought of the useless CRTC!

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Don't you feel a little, well, queasy, quoting something that doesn't happen; while we are instead being 'treated' with the objectionable reality that Canadian cell carriers charge whatever they can get away with, with no actual oversight at all by the CRTC or anyone else?

"The CRTC allows competition, not regulation" = there are no regulations. There is nothing to enforce.
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