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Old Jan 16th, 2008, 05:40 PM   #1
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MacWorld 2008 - Quite a momentous day ?

Well, I watched the Keynote Address by Mr. Jobs. Quite a momentous day, except for the fact that on the same day I learned that after already buying Apple TV and the Airport Extreme when they were introduced, we in Canada cannot avail ourselves of the Rental Movies; the same kind of treatment we got with the iPhone.

Then later on I bought the 5 apps for my iPod touch, only to find that Mail will not work for me as the "touch" totally disregards my smtp settings and as yet I do not receive any e-mails because the "touch" says I'm not using SSL and not using the 995 port. Duh!

There were also a number of software updates yesterday as well. Ah, I thought, the FrontRow update will clear up that interrupting progress bar which has totally destroyed my enjoyment of the Movie Previews what with the freezing and all and finally revert to the previous pre-Leopard fluid FrontRow viewing. Too much to ask I guess. No change, and so I'm beginning to think we should give Mr. Jobs a broadside for his total disdain for anything Canadian.
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Old Jan 16th, 2008, 05:44 PM   #2
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i don't know about the other issues you mentioned, but it's not Jobs fault he can let us Canucks dload movies. Try the RIAA or another organization which is preventing it until they hammer out their piece of the pie. it was the same deal for Tv shows.

i'm hoping that it won't take as long as the tv shows. i'll buy an ATV pretty darn quickly at that point.
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The Recording Industry Association of America ??? What have they got to do with downloading and viewing Movies? I thought they were the outfit that went after and sued single mothers who downloaded some recording artist's music. If it comes down to hammering out an agreement on how much of the pie this avaricious association wants, then if they also supposedly represent Canada in these kinds of negotiations, why wasn't it all wrapped up with Apple at the same time ? Oh, and yes, why couldn't Mr. Jobs mention that fact at MacWorld as a way of an explanation ?
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Has nothing to do with RIAA. It's the distribution companies and the contracts that are already in place with respect to distributing content in Canada. It ties up with the TV networks, the movie houses, rental agencies. It's a pretty damned confusing mess and not surprising that it isn't sorted out yet. Lot's of people have their hands deep in someone else's pockets and it's going to take time to pull them all apart.
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Well, I watched the Keynote Address by Mr. Jobs. Quite a momentous day, except for the fact that on the same day I learned that after already buying Apple TV and the Airport Extreme when they were introduced, we in Canada cannot avail ourselves of the Rental Movies; the same kind of treatment we got with the iPhone.
This is simply untrue. Watch the keynote again, only this time take your fingers out of your ears when he says QUOTE "rentals will be available internationally later this year." UNQUOTE

Your other two complaints are bogus user issues, nothing to do with being in Canada. I'm sorry you're having those problems, perhaps you should post a thread outlining your setup, the symptoms of the problem and what you've tried to correct the issue in the "Mac Troubleshooting" section.
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Old Jan 16th, 2008, 10:43 PM   #6
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You'll probably learn after a while, Chas m, that we don't talk to strangers that way, or for that matter people who aren't strangers. I was well aware, even without fingers in my ears, that "eventually" we Canadians would be able to download movies from Apple directly to our HDTVs, but it does tend to rub us the wrong way when Americans tend to "send us to the back of the bus" while they go ahead and enjoy the goodies, which, as it happens, we Canadian MacUsers have also contributed to.

As for the other two "complaints" (your word), I never implied that they were on account of being in Canada. And credit me, will you, to have sufficient wherewithal to know how to go about seeking a remedy for those problems. I just mentioned all the Apple incidents that occurred to me on the 2008 MacWorld Day, that's all.

Having spent some time in Victoria, BC., I figure that unless you change your ways, you're going to be in for quite a bumpy ride if you continue with your brash and somewhat uncultured manner of conversing with others.
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Having spent some time in Victoria, BC., I figure that unless you change your ways, you're going to be in for quite a bumpy ride if you continue with your brash and somewhat uncultured manner of conversing with others.
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You'll probably learn after a while, Chas m, that we don't talk to strangers that way, or for that matter people who aren't strangers.
Please allow me to introduce you to GuyInToronto.

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I was well aware, even without fingers in my ears, that "eventually" we Canadians would be able to download movies from Apple directly to our HDTVs, but it does tend to rub us the wrong way when Americans tend to "send us to the back of the bus" while they go ahead and enjoy the goodies, which, as it happens, we Canadian MacUsers have also contributed to.
As well it should, but that's not what you wrote. Here, let me refresh your memory:

"we in Canada cannot avail ourselves of the Rental Movies; the same kind of treatment we got with the iPhone" (emphasis mine)

My point, which you seem to have missed, is that this statement is inaccurate. If we in Canada got "the same kind of treatment" as we got with the iPhone, we would have NO IDEA if movie rentals were EVER coming here. Instead, we got an explicit promise that they will be here later this year. To my mind, that's an improvement.

For the record, I am in complete agreement with you (and many people here) that it's completely ridiculous that ANY service/goodie/shiny thing Steve rolls out isn't available immediately, at price parity, across the whole of North America. Wasn't NAFTA supposed to end this disparity??

I could sort of see a modest delay in bringing things out in Mexico, there are some issues there (government instability for one) that would hamper simultaneous rollout, but Canada? It's already thought of as "America North" by most in the US, so what valid reason could there be for giving us such second-class citizenship?

You're right to be rankled, but you're wrong to assume a "brash" tone in my post just because I'm from the states (actually I'm not, but that's off-topic for this discussion). My intent was to gently and humourously correct your inaccurate statement, and I'm sorry if the joke fell flat. I was originally going to say "get the snow out of your ears" and maybe that would have communicated my tone better.

In future, if there is any way to interpret anything I write as "gentle ribbing," of the sort you'd get at the local pub, please do so.

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As for the other two "complaints" (your word), I never implied that they were on account of being in Canada. And credit me, will you, to have sufficient wherewithal to know how to go about seeking a remedy for those problems. I just mentioned all the Apple incidents that occurred to me on the 2008 MacWorld Day, that's all.
I accept your explanation, but again ... that's not what you actually wrote. Again, a refresher:
"Too much to ask I guess. No change, and so I'm beginning to think we should give Mr. Jobs a broadside for his total disdain for anything Canadian."

This is the last sentence of the paragraph complaining about your other issues. It is not a stretch, nor "brash and uncultured" to interpret this paragraph as saying "this stuff doesn't work well because Steve has disdain for anything Canadian."

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Having spent some time in Victoria, BC., I figure that unless you change your ways, you're going to be in for quite a bumpy ride if you continue with your brash and somewhat uncultured manner of conversing with others.
I'm already an officer in the local Mac group, in fact. So far, we've found British Columbia (or that little bit of it we're familiar with, like Vic and Vanc) wonderfully well-suited to our temperament (which in real life would probably be described as "gregarious and friendly").

I'll make you a deal: I'll certainly take on board your observation that my post seemed "brash" (though as an arts writer I will politely reject the "uncultured") and apologise for my misguided attempt at familial "joshing" if you'll agree that the way you wrote your post left it open to negative interpretation. Fair?
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The Recording Industry Association of America ??? What have they got to do with downloading and viewing Movies? I thought they were the outfit that went after and sued single mothers who downloaded some recording artist's music. If it comes down to hammering out an agreement on how much of the pie this avaricious association wants, then if they also supposedly represent Canada in these kinds of negotiations, why wasn't it all wrapped up with Apple at the same time ? Oh, and yes, why couldn't Mr. Jobs mention that fact at MacWorld as a way of an explanation ?
ok. see i screwed up the organization, but there's the same one for Canada and as Macified points out, my line of thinking is right. it's nothing to do with Jobs. it's a bunch of red tape between different organizations who are vying for their own needs and desires, rather than working together. It's out of this hands so blaming him for something he can't control is quite ridiculous.

And I can't ever see Jobs explaining something that might be construed as negative at Macworld. For one, why explain something for one country when the rest of the countries or continents would be wondering what was happening for them. His speech is only supposed to be x amount of minutes.

2. investors and the market were watching Apple so the last thing they want to see is negative information. maybe i shouldn't use the word 'negative', but my point is that investors want to see leading edge technology.

As much as I didn't like the fact we didn't get rentals, I think Jobs saying the international folks would get it later this year was perfect.

In the end, I realize something important - none of the gripes about what was released or not released isn't the end of the world. It's just software and hardware....

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