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Old Mar 24th, 2005, 10:34 AM   #11
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If you end up getting a new iPod battery I recommend Small Dog. I paid a whopping $5 in brokerage fees and that was UPS ground (weird - I expected $20). The price is not too bad (but the shipping is killer - $20 or so) but still cheaper than ordering from Apple.
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Old Mar 24th, 2005, 10:40 AM   #12
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3G battery capacity is a function of space

It's my understanding that there's not as much room allotted to battery in the 3G. So until the power density of batteries goes up we'll just have to live with what we've got.
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Old Mar 24th, 2005, 11:51 AM   #13
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hay farfisa, didn't PG say he had it run for 22 hours???

the seller hasn't responded yet, but i'm holding my feedback tight, see how much he's going to throw in.

i'm a little puzzled too about the high capacity batteries.. seems the highest i can buy now is 850mah for 3G's versus the 2200mah for 1/2G's. that's huge difference!!!
You're right--he did say it went for 22 hours in the end. Awesome. I only got half way down the thread the first time, probably why I missed the fact that you were the next poster!

I was just going to let my 2G battery go to crap and use it only in the car with a charger (right now it runs for 6 hours or so straight, but if it's left unused for a two or three days the charge is gone), but one of these new batteries could mean a whole new life for this little beauty.

So, pardon my electrical ignorance, but does the mAh rating translate directly to hours? Like, if a 2200 mAh battery goes for 22 hours, will the 850 mAh for the 3G only go for 8 1/2?
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Old Mar 24th, 2005, 11:52 AM   #14
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It's my understanding that there's not as much room allotted to battery in the 3G. So until the power density of batteries goes up we'll just have to live with what we've got.
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So finally an advantage to having a clunky 2nd gen! Nice!
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Old Mar 24th, 2005, 12:21 PM   #15
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Two Variables Affect iPod Play Time

Farfisa,

There are two variables that affect how long the iPod will play. As you accurately surmise, battery capacity is a major one and the larger the capacity of the battery (as measured in mAh) the longer the iPod will play. The other factor is how much power the iPod uses. For example, the 2G appears to draw 100 mA based on a 2200 mAh battery driving it for 22 h (hours cancel out leaving mA — milliamperes). If the 3G draws the same amount of current then a 850 mAh battery would play it for 8.5 h. Hopefully they've figured out a way to decrease the current draw when moving from 2G to 3G so hopefully the aftermarket 3G battery will give a little more than 8.5 hours.

Having said that I can't say positively that it draws less and I can't remember the results on any of my real world tests with my 3G.

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Thanks solidgood - I knew it couldn't be a simple "divide by 100" thing for all of them!
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So finally an advantage to having a clunky 2nd gen! Nice!
Ya sure do. I replaced mine with a Newertech battery .... I maxed out at just over 21 hours ... it's great!

Plus, I must say, I like the clear sharp edge on the 2nd gen.
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Old Mar 25th, 2005, 12:34 PM   #18
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wow! this thread finally picks up people's interests after farfisa kicks in...lol

yeah, i think someone else mentioned a few website to order iPod batteries for around $30, even those in Canada, so no duty charges and cheaper shipping. I chose Apple to quote because that's the most expensive quote I can think of... and i know the seller is not going to put in 100% of the costs, so i might as well just quote the highest price to get the most out of it. (turns out that he's going to contribute 30% of the costs, which translates to $30 in this case, just right for an order from elsewhere. )

the only thing that really annoys me with my setting is that i have an external HD (firewire), and my laptop has only one 4-pin firewire port. so i have to plug my iPod into the other firewire port on the external HD case to link it together. My music is on the HD so i have to keep it plugged in as well. the problem is the iPod doesn't draw power at all from the HD, so it drains REALLY fast... still trying to figure out a way to get around it... just ordered a Y cable of USB and Firewire, might end up using USB1.1 to sync and firwire to charge at the same time...
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Other things that affect battery life include temperature, type of use (fast forwarding a lot for example causes the hard drive to seek which causes more drain on the battery), amount of discharges.

For a very comprehensive site about battery technology/chemistry, take a look here:

http://www.batteryuniversity.com/index.htm
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Old Mar 26th, 2005, 11:14 AM   #20
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anyone knows if it's possible to charge the ipod while connecting to an external harddrive (powered) through firewire?

the external harddrive i have has 2 6-pin ports and is powered itself. i have one cable connecting it to the 4-pin on my dell and the other one connected to ipod.. however it's not charing while connected. anyone know any tricks? thanks!
You will need a powered firewire hub- I have the same dilema. I get a charge when plugged into my external firewire HD but not when it is daisychained with my external firewire DVD burner
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