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Old Feb 25th, 2005, 12:08 PM   #1
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Reaction over no FW cable for iPod

Industry likes:
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2005/02/25.4.shtml

Owners don't:
http://www.ipodhacks.com/article.php?sid=1260

Apple repsonds:
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=10946
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Old Feb 25th, 2005, 12:25 PM   #2
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Lightbulb Not sure i understand...

Whats the big deal here? If you need to use a firewire cable then spend the extra 20bucks... it's still cheaper then before right?
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Old Feb 25th, 2005, 12:39 PM   #3
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I still think it's lame that it doesn't come with a FireWire cable. I for one will never connet my iPod via USB 2.0. I can use my few (2) USB ports for far more useful other devices.
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Old Feb 25th, 2005, 01:03 PM   #4
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I wonder that perhaps there is some unnecessary fear happening that Apple is 'surrendering' to the windows world.

The majority of users have machines that have USB. Apple probably also reckon that Mac users who don't have USB2 will have already purchased iPods (Mac users have been buying iPods much longer than Windows users) and/or will be upgrading their computers over the next few years.

I prefer FW. But I can't see how it's such a big deal. It's in tune with market realities.

How often have we read Mac users complain of Apple being out of step with the market? Can't have it both ways.

As for using up USB ports, well, get a hub.

I also think that it's a fair deal for the environment. fewer unused cables lying around. I doubt if that was part of the motivation, but it's a good thing.
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Old Feb 25th, 2005, 01:16 PM   #5
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So that I understand correctly... Will you need a specific ipod/fw cable, or will any 6 pin one do the job? What about if you have a dock? What about the forthcoming digital camera connector?
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Old Feb 25th, 2005, 01:34 PM   #6
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Whats the big deal here? If you need to use a firewire cable then spend the extra 20bucks... it's still cheaper then before right?
Because they are gouging us for $20!!! If they bundled a firewire cable with the iPod, it wouldn't cost an additional $20. A firewire cable maybe costs $7 for Apple from a vendor. I just see a trend of Apple making things that came standard with the iPod, accessories and soon you're going to have to buy a half dozen accessories at twice the cost they would have cost if bundled with the iPod.

Moscool, you can't use any firewire cable, one end is made specific for the iPod. It has to be an iPod firewire cable. If it was a normal firewire cable, I wouldn't complain (just like alot of Mac users), since I have a few normal firewire cables.
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Old Feb 25th, 2005, 01:41 PM   #7
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I think you should be able to exchange the USB 2.0 cable for a firewire one at any retailer.

Starting... NOW!

Not exactly fun for the retailers, or for apple, but they get their cables back, so it's no extra cost.
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I think you should be able to exchange the USB 2.0 cable for a firewire one at any retailer.

Starting... NOW!

Not exactly fun for the retailers, or for apple, but they get their cables back, so it's no extra cost.
Or... give you an option on the Apple Store to select which cable you want.. or both.. technically a good idea, but resellers couldn't do the same thing, so maybe it's not such a bright idea.
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Old Feb 25th, 2005, 01:56 PM   #9
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AC adaptor = necessary
FW = necessary

Dock connector = They could have left this one out and saved me 20 bucks. The dock is more a vanity thing, the FW and adapter really are useful.
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Old Feb 25th, 2005, 03:39 PM   #10
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Even if we agree that including a FW cable would only add $7, that's $7 too much when the entire mp3 player world is gunning for your ass.

Apple is keeping the iPod's price as low as they can, and if that means subbing a USB2 cable when the reality is that most buyers are Wintel users and dropping the price $10, then so be it.

It's called competition, and the price of iPods just dropped, again. That doesn't happen by magic; you need to minimize costs.

Jobs knows that failing to keep price-competitive with PCs killed Apple the first time around (SCSI CD drives, for example; there's no reason for SCSI on something so slow as an optical disk drive); he not going to make that same mistake twice just for the sake of ideology. Being "right" isn't worth much at bankruptcy court or the unemployment line.

There's nothing wrong with USB2 for this application; PC users (ie iPod buyers) can't get Firewire anyway usually (they have to settle for Sony iLink without bus power, because the PC power supply is kind of taxed as it is now). USB2 with charging? It's as good as it gets for most PC users.

For the first time in a very long time Apple is getting very aggressive in product offerings and pricing; I can't see how you could complain about it. It's bad enough that people compare the $ 429 colour iPod to $ 399 Dell DJs while ignoring Dell's $25 mandatory shipping charge. (I also love the fact that Dell assumes it's users are deaf, claiming a 15,000 song capacity on it's 30G DJ at a nearly un-listenable 64K bitrate).

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